After the last topic getting me mad, does anyone have a positive experience of dealing with an elder or a particular favourite elder that was a top bloke?
Farmer Jim1
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Positive Topic - ‘Good Elders’ or Extra Special Kindness shown by elders
by Farmer Jim1 inafter the last topic getting me mad, does anyone have a positive experience of dealing with an elder or a particular favourite elder that was a top bloke?.
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Do you or did you experience too much intrusion into your personal life by the elders in your congregation?
by UnshackleTheChains ini ask this question because i have personally experienced first hand the control and intrusion into my personal life by the elders at our hall; and for virtually trivial things or non issues!
what's more, i regularly hear of individuals moving to other halls because they were stumbled by the thought police....er, i mean these elders.. have you had any such experience?
have your elders been a bit ott over trivialities?.
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Farmer Jim1
And finally(although there is a lot of material in this topic). PO before the last one took me aside and counselled me NOT TO COME to meetings if my spiritually weak wife was not at meeting. Unsure about this but willing to follow elders’ directions I missed countless meetings by following his council. I later hear from several elders that he has been commenting on how disappointed he is because I was missing meetings! I was fuming and ‘took him in a back room’ during the next WT study. He was understandably upset when I tore a strip off him but still didn’t learn his lesson and kept spouting crazy personal opinions instead of scriptural advice. Complete fool, easily the worst elder I have ever come across. Am so mad just thinking about it that I should name & shame him
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Do you or did you experience too much intrusion into your personal life by the elders in your congregation?
by UnshackleTheChains ini ask this question because i have personally experienced first hand the control and intrusion into my personal life by the elders at our hall; and for virtually trivial things or non issues!
what's more, i regularly hear of individuals moving to other halls because they were stumbled by the thought police....er, i mean these elders.. have you had any such experience?
have your elders been a bit ott over trivialities?.
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Farmer Jim1
Presiding overseer once took it upon himself to voice his opinions to me and try to pursuade me not to buy a motorbike. Why he thought it was any of his business I’m not sure. Drunk on his own power.
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Do you or did you experience too much intrusion into your personal life by the elders in your congregation?
by UnshackleTheChains ini ask this question because i have personally experienced first hand the control and intrusion into my personal life by the elders at our hall; and for virtually trivial things or non issues!
what's more, i regularly hear of individuals moving to other halls because they were stumbled by the thought police....er, i mean these elders.. have you had any such experience?
have your elders been a bit ott over trivialities?.
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Farmer Jim1
Once had an elder pull me into the KH car park and insist that I no longer speak to or associate with a particular sister in the cong. I told him that was a strange request and asked for more details. He didn’t elaborate, just got more dogmatic about it. I insisted on him giving me a reason as she was a friend and I enjoyed associating with her. He said that she had requested that I no longer talk to her. I knew immediately that it was elder BS. I agreed to comply with the elder and then spoke to the sister the next week. She confirmed that it was BS and didn’t have a clue what it was about. When confronted the elder confessed he had handled things very badly & had some kind of ‘episode’ but did not apologise for bare faced lies he told. To think that I still trusted elders to ‘shepherd me’ after that nonsense!
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Deceptive comments or lies that you have heard from platform or brothers & sisters?
by Farmer Jim1 inok, so what are the most deceptive comments that you have heard from your experience in congregations?.
my top three are;.
1) service overseer during the ’ how did we do?’ annual talk, twisted the figures to such an extent that it looked like the congregations ministry was in tip-top shape.
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Ok, so what are the most deceptive comments that you have heard from your experience in congregations?
my top three are;
1) Service Overseer during the ’ how did we do?’ annual talk, twisted the figures to such an extent that it looked like the congregations ministry was in tip-top shape. He had said to me before the meeting that it would be too demoralising to give the facts as they were so he felt the need to ‘spin’ them to raise morale! It seemed to backfire because the congregations ministry continued on its downward spiral.
2) WT conductor in my hall informed me that the branch had sent through a letter with specific instructions on how the WT reader should read and at what exact points they should enter and exit the platform. I decided to call him out on this one (usually was the meek & mild type) and asked him to show me the letter. He refused saying that it was a confidential letter and I should just accept what he was saying because he was an elder and I wasn’t. I suggested that he should just show me the wording and redact the rest of the letter because if the instructions were so specific I would want to make sure that nothing was lost in translation. He went ballistic and began to threaten my position as an MS. At this point I told him that I thought he was lying and that the specific instructions he said had come from the branch had actually come from his tiny, jumped-up little brain. He stormed off and I took it to some of the other elders. Guess what? He was a first rate liar. Elders confirmed for me that none of them were aware of his ‘rules’ but that I should follow his instruction anyway. I informed them that I would not deal with such a brazen liar and am only interested in fact. Elder disappeared off body a few years later.
3) The reasoning given for the separate bookstudy evening being stopped. Something about petroleum costs? Don’t think so. How about countries where car ownership or travel costs are not part of the equation because everyone walks. Why did they have to stop their book Studies? Must be more to it.
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JW Baptism Anullment
by Farmer Jim1 inhas anyone ever successfully annulled their jw baptism?
especially if they were very young when baptised?.
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Farmer Jim1
Has anyone ever successfully annulled their JW baptism? Especially if they were very young when baptised?
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Outside JW World They Barely Exist
by Farmer Jim1 inis anyone else staggered by the fact that outside of the organization most of the general public seem to know very little or nothing about jw’s?
when i was in i was led to believe that 99% of the worlds population had been giving sufficient warning, knew what it was all about and were stubbornly sticking to their immoral ways.
the reality seems to be that the entire jw universe is barely noticeable to the masses.
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Is anyone else staggered by the fact that outside of the Organization most of the general public seem to know very little or nothing about JW’s? When I was in I was led to believe that 99% of the worlds population had been giving sufficient warning, knew what it was all about and were stubbornly sticking to their immoral ways. The reality seems to be that the entire JW universe is barely noticeable to the masses. Very few know, very few care.
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CO/DO's in the UK?
by pobthespazz incan anyone compile a list of as many as possible past and present co/do's from the uk?
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Farmer Jim1
CO's that covered Manchester circuits;
David Algarve (can't remember much)
David Bingham
John Black (very charismatic, wife Elizabeth a bit strange!)
John Hobden
David Carter (took my first pioneer school, was quite ill by this point but was still mischievous)
Steve Clarke (absolute Pratt, not liked among the elders, heard he became a DO)
Ian Thomasson (quiet man, again not well liked because of his lack of charisma although he was my favourite, low key not looking for worship like the others)
Derek Casey lovely bloke
John Hopcraft (crazy as a bucket of frogs but likeable, think he had a nickname of 'the axe man'
Mike Peak (stand in CO, great speaker)
John Oldham (another great speaker, think he got overlooked by org for greater things & sometimes showed his frustration
Edmund Kerr (odd)
It started to occur to me towards the end that CO visits were more about flashy charismatic personalities creating a 'brotherhood feel' rather than any concrete 'deep thing' being shared. Bell & whistles & shiny paper instead of substance. I'm sure some of the CO's new what the organisation is really like, they must see some things behind closed doors.
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UK, Manchester Convention??
by Farmer Jim1 inhi all, new member, have enjoyed reading all of your comments over the years.
does anyone know what happened to the manchester convention listing on jw website?
i'm not attending for the first time (hooray for me!
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Farmer Jim1
might need someone 'still in' to enlighten us.
The only reasons I can think of are;
1) Security concerns or
2) Last minute cost saving strategy (we know where all the money is going) and send everyone to Liverpool & Leeds or possibly utilise the Northenden assembly hall over a few weekends.
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UK, Manchester Convention??
by Farmer Jim1 inhi all, new member, have enjoyed reading all of your comments over the years.
does anyone know what happened to the manchester convention listing on jw website?
i'm not attending for the first time (hooray for me!
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Farmer Jim1
Hi all, new member, have enjoyed reading all of your comments over the years. Does anyone know what happened to the Manchester convention listing on JW website? I'm not attending for the first time (hooray for me!) but just wondered why it isn't advertised in the list of conventions?